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These are the things we're doing to prepare for a newborn. This was made much more easier by the fact that we received an extraordinary number of things from our friends and family:
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The entire list is quite large and not quite suited to this format so once we've bought the remainder and covered it all, I'll post it as a Google Sheet and post that here.
The entire list is quite large and not quite suited to this format so once we've bought the remainder and covered it all, I'll post it as a Google Sheet and post that here.
== Choosing A Paediatrician ==
This was harder than I expected. While our obstetrician's clinic provided us with a large set of recommendations, there were a couple of surprises:
* Meet and Greets are not common in SF
* Some doctors are DOs
=== Meet and Greet ===
Many of my friends reported going to a meet-and-greet with a paediatrician before picking them. However, when I called various practices here in San Francisco, they told me that if I decided to go with them what I should do is notify the obstetrician who I'm going with and they'd send a doctor over to see the newborn post-birth.
Some of our friends told us it was very valuable:
{{Blockquote
|text=We picked out and met ours beforehand with Kaiser.
I was glad to have gotten to know her a little bit before coming into our first appointment when my brain was fried.
Pediatricians can also have some good insight about pregnancy and the birth process and choices during labor because OBGYNs are focused on the birth while pediatricians are focused on the baby afterwards. I asked one of my friends who is a pediatrician a bunch of questions about amniocentesis, fetal monitoring, vacuum, etc.
|author=Anne
|source=SMS, 16 months after first child
}}
Others told us that the first time was useful but also that we shouldn't worry too much about it because changing your paediatrician is easy:
{{Blockquote
|text=We had one for [our first child] and that was useful, but perhaps they were only doing that because it was during COVID. No idea, but we didn't have one for the second, but I suppose that's because we were experienced by then.
I can put your mind at ease about this. 8 months after [our first child] was born we had to move because we bought a home and we had to change paediatricians anyway. While we did go through the research process again, it wasn't like a good one was hard to find.
I would just copy and paste what you were looking into for an obstetrician. Yelp has some reviews, but Google Reviews have a lot more.
|author=Avinash & Anisha
|source=Phone call, 18 months after second child, 3.5 y after first
}}
Overall, I would be happy to place myself at the mercy of fate to start with, but the other thing I found out did make me a little nervous, especially since the concierge paediatricians in SF ''do'' offer meet-and-greets.
=== DO ===
This was the second thing I discovered in the process that I had no idea of before: in the US a doctor who practises medicine need not be an MD. They could also be a DO, a [[wikipedia:Osteopathic medicine in the United States|Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine]]. Osteopathy in most of the world is a complete joke science: it is full of woo. Many of my friends were quick to tell me that most of what a DO studies is the same as an MD and that they have some added garbage on top. In general, I am very pro-medical-access and so having a slightly less capable person provide a bit of garbage along with medicine at a lower cost but it turns out that half of DOs perform their stuff on some 5% of their patients<ref name=osteo-50 />.
Opinions of these DO doctors was mixed among the doctors I know or to whom I am connected to, but not inspiring in their ability. Here are some quotes, anonymized:
{{Blockquote
|text=[My wife, who is a doctor,] also thinks they are able to perform reasonable medicine for what it's worth
what your forgetting Roshan is that people like the doesn't-work shit
so if they MD but also do some bone manipulation juju their patients are happier
if they are worse, it's because their schools are less selective/best students get MDs
|author=Partner of a Doctor in Family Medicine
|source=Private conversation
}}
{{Blockquote
|text=Personally I'd stick with the MDs the DO degree is very variable and program dependent from my limited understanding of it
|author=Family Doctor
|source=Private conversation
}}
{{Blockquote
|text=In primary care DOs are worthless. It’s Ayurvedic medicine people that passed a residency. Bottom of the barrel.
|author=Cardiovascular Surgeon
|source=Private conversation
}}
My parents are both surgeons so I usually go to them for this information, but they were not familiar with the qualification and said that they had asked their friends before on encountering authors on papers with a DO qualification but did not get a particularly concrete answer.
=== Single vs. Multiple Practitioners vs. Concierge ===
We also had the choice to go to a single-practitioner practice or a multiple-practitioner service or a concierge service. The highest ratings were for the concierge service, with whom nearly everyone was pleased. However, the costs involved ($12000+) were substantial. Considering one of my parents would be present most of the time while we had an infant, we would always have a doctor in the home.
Single-practitioner services have the problem that when the doctor is out for whatever reason, you're out of luck. This is just a queueing theory problem and the reviews on the web reflect that, with fewer practitioners correlating heavily with greater complaints about queues, waiting times, and delayed appointments.
Multiple-practitioner services seem to mostly be the place to go to if you don't have special requirements, which to start with we don't anticipate having. You may be scheduled onto a different practitioner but that is fine. The downside is that m-p services frequently have some who are DOs.
== Notes ==
<references>
<ref name=osteo-50>
{{cite journal
| last1 = Johnson
| first1 = Shirley M.
| last2 = Kurtz
| first2 = Margot E.
| title = Diminished Use of Osteopathic Manipulative Treatment and Its Impact on the Uniqueness of the Osteopathic Profession
| journal = Academic Medicine
| volume = 76
| issue = 8
| pages = 821–828
| date = August 2001
| url = https://journals.lww.com/academicmedicine/abstract/2001/08000/diminished_use_of_osteopathic_manipulative.16.aspx
| doi =
| pmid =
}}
</ref>
</references>


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Revision as of 00:34, 30 January 2025

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These are the things we're doing to prepare for a newborn. This was made much more easier by the fact that we received an extraordinary number of things from our friends and family:

  • Anne and Charles gave us the majority of what we have
  • Isha and Rishabh offered us a large number of things, of which we took all that didn't overlap
  • Julie's sister Jaja and her husband John gave us a bunch
  • Many of her coworkers and our friends bought us things from our Baby Registry

The entire list is quite large and not quite suited to this format so once we've bought the remainder and covered it all, I'll post it as a Google Sheet and post that here.

Choosing A Paediatrician

This was harder than I expected. While our obstetrician's clinic provided us with a large set of recommendations, there were a couple of surprises:

  • Meet and Greets are not common in SF
  • Some doctors are DOs

Meet and Greet

Many of my friends reported going to a meet-and-greet with a paediatrician before picking them. However, when I called various practices here in San Francisco, they told me that if I decided to go with them what I should do is notify the obstetrician who I'm going with and they'd send a doctor over to see the newborn post-birth.

Some of our friends told us it was very valuable:

We picked out and met ours beforehand with Kaiser.

I was glad to have gotten to know her a little bit before coming into our first appointment when my brain was fried.

Pediatricians can also have some good insight about pregnancy and the birth process and choices during labor because OBGYNs are focused on the birth while pediatricians are focused on the baby afterwards. I asked one of my friends who is a pediatrician a bunch of questions about amniocentesis, fetal monitoring, vacuum, etc.

— Anne, SMS, 16 months after first child

Others told us that the first time was useful but also that we shouldn't worry too much about it because changing your paediatrician is easy:

We had one for [our first child] and that was useful, but perhaps they were only doing that because it was during COVID. No idea, but we didn't have one for the second, but I suppose that's because we were experienced by then.

I can put your mind at ease about this. 8 months after [our first child] was born we had to move because we bought a home and we had to change paediatricians anyway. While we did go through the research process again, it wasn't like a good one was hard to find.

I would just copy and paste what you were looking into for an obstetrician. Yelp has some reviews, but Google Reviews have a lot more.

— Avinash & Anisha, Phone call, 18 months after second child, 3.5 y after first

Overall, I would be happy to place myself at the mercy of fate to start with, but the other thing I found out did make me a little nervous, especially since the concierge paediatricians in SF do offer meet-and-greets.

DO

This was the second thing I discovered in the process that I had no idea of before: in the US a doctor who practises medicine need not be an MD. They could also be a DO, a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine. Osteopathy in most of the world is a complete joke science: it is full of woo. Many of my friends were quick to tell me that most of what a DO studies is the same as an MD and that they have some added garbage on top. In general, I am very pro-medical-access and so having a slightly less capable person provide a bit of garbage along with medicine at a lower cost but it turns out that half of DOs perform their stuff on some 5% of their patients[1].

Opinions of these DO doctors was mixed among the doctors I know or to whom I am connected to, but not inspiring in their ability. Here are some quotes, anonymized:

[My wife, who is a doctor,] also thinks they are able to perform reasonable medicine for what it's worth

what your forgetting Roshan is that people like the doesn't-work shit

so if they MD but also do some bone manipulation juju their patients are happier

if they are worse, it's because their schools are less selective/best students get MDs

— Partner of a Doctor in Family Medicine, Private conversation

Personally I'd stick with the MDs the DO degree is very variable and program dependent from my limited understanding of it

— Family Doctor, Private conversation

In primary care DOs are worthless. It’s Ayurvedic medicine people that passed a residency. Bottom of the barrel.

— Cardiovascular Surgeon, Private conversation

My parents are both surgeons so I usually go to them for this information, but they were not familiar with the qualification and said that they had asked their friends before on encountering authors on papers with a DO qualification but did not get a particularly concrete answer.

Single vs. Multiple Practitioners vs. Concierge

We also had the choice to go to a single-practitioner practice or a multiple-practitioner service or a concierge service. The highest ratings were for the concierge service, with whom nearly everyone was pleased. However, the costs involved ($12000+) were substantial. Considering one of my parents would be present most of the time while we had an infant, we would always have a doctor in the home.

Single-practitioner services have the problem that when the doctor is out for whatever reason, you're out of luck. This is just a queueing theory problem and the reviews on the web reflect that, with fewer practitioners correlating heavily with greater complaints about queues, waiting times, and delayed appointments.

Multiple-practitioner services seem to mostly be the place to go to if you don't have special requirements, which to start with we don't anticipate having. You may be scheduled onto a different practitioner but that is fine. The downside is that m-p services frequently have some who are DOs.

Notes

  1. Johnson, Shirley M.; Kurtz, Margot E. (August 2001). "Diminished Use of Osteopathic Manipulative Treatment and Its Impact on the Uniqueness of the Osteopathic Profession". Academic Medicine. 76 (8): 821–828.